All The Talk Of A Depression Is, Um, Depressing

Economy Still Sinking As Obama Announces New Team and Plan

In this Thanksgiving week, a majority, perhaps, of all Americans will give thanks not only for a bountiful table, but for a transition of power in which so much hope is invested.

As the new Administration translates its campaign’s lofty vision of change into a new team and concrete plans, we find that the new change-makers are largely a throw back to the old centrist Clinton Administration that took its marching orders from the corporate interests funding the Democratic Leadership Conference.

Barack Obama is now calling for a major stimulus and job creation effort, but outlining it and getting it done will be quite different and difficult. Creating two and a half million new jobs by 2011 is a good goal, but seems far off in a country where official unemployment now stands at ten million and so many need relief now. Ditto for debt relief, a topic no one is even talking about.

In the interim, as the snows come and the season turns colder, many a family will face an uncomfortable choice: “heat or eat.” This could be the worst shopping season ever. 36 Million families have or are close to maxing out their credit cards.

The Democrats have always sung “happy days are here again,” but it doesn’t seem to be the right song for these hard times. It’s taken a full year for the punditocracy to even accept that we are in a recession. Last November, the economists at investment banks (that no longer exist in their old form) had proclaimed the recession, “the R word,” was already here. The press held off with constant references to a “possible recession” or the government is trying to “stave off a recession.”

Part of the confusion can be attributed to how recessions are defined. The Oakland Tribune looked into this and concluded:

“The truth is, nobody knows. The responsibility for declaring the stages of the business cycle is informally held by that most dreaded of concepts — a committee of economists. The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research uses several economic indicators, including personal income, unemployment, industrial production and sales and manufacturing volume, to determine the health of the economy. It’s not true that they declare a recession if economic growth is negative for two quarters in a row. If it were that simple, we wouldn’t need a committee.

If you want to know about the state of the economy in real time, you can’t rely on the NBER.

If the NBER did the D.C. weather forecast, here’s how it would work. The bureau would gather precipitation data from every neighborhood, then interview residents to make sure the data are accurate. After much deliberation, it would tell us whether it had rained last month.

Same with recessions: The NBER’s pronouncements historically come long after recessions have begun, a whopping seven months on average. By the time the bureau announced the recession of 1991, it already had ended.”

Back then, a year ago, the people who were living the financial crisis, and those that saw it coming, acknowledged the slow down and freeze up of the economic order. They saw the dominos falling, but were still seen as alarmists, not alarm sounders. They called the recession. Today, many of these same seers are using the D word, Depression.

And once again, no one can agree on what that would look like either, writes Michael Panzer, author of Financial Armageddon:

“There is, in fact, no agreed-upon definition of what a depression is. Economists are unanimous that the Great Depression was the worst economic downturn the industrial world has ever seen, and that we haven’t had a depression since, but beyond that there is not a consensus. Recessions have an official definition from the National Bureau of Economic Research, but the bureau pointedly declines to define a depression.”

At the same time, economists like Nobel Laureate Joe Stiglitz says the current credit situation may be even worse:

“‘This is clearly the most serious problem since the Great Depression and in some ways worse in terms of the financial institutions.’ Stiglitz commented, referring to the fact that lenders are unwilling to take risks to finance each other because they no longer have complete access to their own undertakings let alone those of other institutions.”

As economists debate the likelihood of a depression, most of our media highlights sunnier forecasts, perhaps to boost confidence and the sales pitches of their advertisers. They rarely offer the insights of third world analysts like Samir Amin:

“Behind it, a crisis of real economy is standing out, since the financial drift was continuously asphyxiating the growth of the production basis. Solutions brought to the financial crisis can just lead to a crisis of the real economy, i.e. a relative stagnation of the production with its side effects: regression of wages, growth of unemployment, growing precariousness and aggravation of poverty in the Southern countries. We must speak now about depression and no more about recession.”

And some are suggesting, not to scare us, that a depression is already here, depressing as that might sound, and hitting some parts of the country hard.

Here are twenty indicators that could lead us ever downward, from Paul Ferrell who called the dot com crash that so many experts did not see coming:

1. America’s credit rating may soon be downgraded below AAA
2. Fed refusal to disclose $2 trillion loans, now the new “shadow banking system”
3. Congress has no oversight of $700 billion, and Paulson’s Wall Street Trojan Horse
4. Henry Paulson flip-flops on plan to buy toxic bank assets, confusing markets
5. Goldman, Morgan lost tens of billions, but planning over $13 billion in bonuses this year
6. AIG bails big banks out of $150 billion in credit swaps, protects shareholders before taxpayers
7. American Express joins Goldman, Morgan as bank holding firms, looking for Fed money
8. Treasury sneaks corporate tax credits into bailout giveaway, shifts costs to states
9. State revenues down, taxes and debt up; hiring, spending, borrowing add even more debt
10. State, municipal, corporate pensions lost hundreds of billions on derivative swaps
11. Hedge funds: 610 in 1990, almost 10,000 now. Returns down 15%, liquidations up
12. Consumer debt way up, now at $2.5 trillion; next area for credit meltdowns
13. Fed also plans to provide billions to $3.6 trillion money-market fund industry
14. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are bleeding cash, want to tap taxpayer dollars
15. Washington manipulating data: War not $600 billion but estimates actually $3 trillion
16. Hidden costs of $700 billion bailout are likely $5 trillion; plus $1 trillion Street write-offs
17. Commodities down, resource exporters and currencies dropping, triggering a global meltdown
18. Big three automakers near bankruptcy; unions, workers, retirees will suffer
19. Corporate bond market, both junk and top-rated, slumps more than 25%
20. Retailers bankrupt: Circuit City, Sharper Image, Mervyns; mall sales in free fall

When you review these 20 developments—and there are far more– you have to ask yourself, realistically, what can an Obama Administration do about this multi-faceted disaster? Can token reforms by government stem the tide and solve systemic problems?
Are we expecting too much from our politicians?

Just thinking about all this leads to another kind of depression — a personal bummer at a time when so many want to feel good about the change that is said to be coming to America. At the same time, we know that joyous events can be followed by awful letdowns — after childbirth some women go through post-partum depression, for example, because of hormonal changes. In their case, joy turns to sadness.

The first step to avoid being disillusioned is to abandon illusions and recognize that this is a “system problem.” Am I wrong?

– News Dissector Danny Schechter is the author of PLUNDER: Investigating Our Economic Calamity (Cosimo Books), available at Amazon.com. Comments to dissector@mediachannel.org

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Post partum depression can be addressed but requires reasonable accomodation, sometimes for an extended period and sometimes, depending on how deeply the mother is hurting, a lot of help is needed over a lenthy period of time. It becomes lethal only when ignored or under addressed. Alll members of the community must get together and support both parents and baby. This state of depression is a fluctuation, not a permanent “disability.” And not with tomatoe paste sandwiches either. Here’s to hoping our president elect grows to understand the needs of our new situation better and that we all rise to help him on his way.

Thankyou, being in the health field for over 40 years, depression runs havoc through your immune system. 80% of your immune system is in your intestines, where you are filthy- 600 thousand various bacterias in your gut. That’s why you say I get a gut feeling. When your immune system drops you make yourself available for 2300 different flu virises. Todays early harsh winter along with financial depression can be the fertile ground for a flu pandemic. Like the economic crisis spreading, right behind is the flu. You are what you eat, but you are also what’s eating you. Lack of funds chews you up, but only if you let it. All problems are temporary, like birds flying over your head, you can’t stop them, but one can stop them from making a nest in your hair. This thanks giving will be a real test for many. Holiday time starts the feasting and drinking. Alcohol rots your food, putrefies your meal and gives more food to feed virisis and bacterias. This drops your immune system and Xmas, Newyear, same food and booze, so by mid Jan. Just when Obama takes over, The NATION SUFFERS from the Flu. Don’t get depressed, moderation, read, most of all make a conscious effort to behave not not abuse family and others. We can still have happy Holidays. Peter.

Danny:Why are people responding to your financial story with come-backs that have anything but the intention of your story?I feel as if I’m a stranger living in a strange land that used to be my home.It was a place of relitive peace,sanity and security.Has somebody left the door at 3 north mental hospital open?Won’t anybody wake up?God save us…save us from ourselves………

I think they left too big a job for the democrats and Obama…like he said…all this happened over time…the bush administration and his croninies…that he appointed to help screw up our economy. Obama said its not going to happen instantly..in fact in might take a few years to clean up the mess that was left behind. I think its obvious that there was manipulation in wallstreet. Hank Paulson, the large Corporations with their Golden Parachute’s and bonuses…All these high rollers they maniputlate the system for their own financial interest while the rich get richer…and the middleclass deminishes. This was no coinsidence this happened…they knew it was going to happen..however; they just didn’t give a damn. Now they have the FBI and iinvestigatiors looking into how all this money is allocated..and mysteriously they cannot find a paper trail. This is what Martha Stewart went to jail for..and now we have several crooks that need to be accounted for this mess. I say if the U.S has to bail out the economy…The U.S taxpayers get …a piece of the action and have stock into what were helping. When these companies get back on tract…and stocks go back up…so, does the middleclass people that lost money in stocks and IRA. I think straight accross the board…lets make a deal…I think this is fair…If they cannot negotiate for the middleclass people with out us haveing a say so. I say NO DEAL…forget it. This is gambeling with our money people.

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