Comments on: The World’s Best Health Care - Really? http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/ As The Media Watches The World, We Watch The Media Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:33:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Robert M. Cerello http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15932 Fri, 09 May 2008 18:04:58 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15932 Trudy Lieberman has put a finger here on the DOA pulse of a defunct media. Whether one understands the role of media as defending individual's rights or more narrowly as one of requiring the reporter to challenge or even correct errors in unattested facts, unaccountable value attitudes or false science, to fail to mention Mr. McCain's myths as "myths" not truths is to cede the arena of nonfiction to postmdodernists: to those who warp, deny, evade or replace the real so as to inculcate an annunciated replacement universe in the minds of their brainwashed victims. This is the missing link among pseudo-religious pretensions to inspired revelation played out in thisworld where manifestly such otherworldly ideas can never work, criminal actions against victims of fraud and totalitarian public-interest-excused lawmaking compelling victims to do and not do, say they believe or don't believe and pay and receive what at gunpoint they're compelled to concede. I noticed this lie by Mr. McCain during a debate, and have written about it in a number of op-ed responses. I used it as the centerpiece of my objections to the repetitions of slanders, lies, false motivation assertions and failures to apply scientific standards to coverage of all candidates. We must have regulations governing the form of non-fictional and visual utterances/transmissions emitted by those legally permitted to conduct "news", write book, etc. These regulations I say must apply to separating, categorically, attested facts from myths, standards based evaluations from unaccounted attitudes pro or con (and access to the legal use of value terms), and full scientific assertion as versus unsupported beliefs. The commenter who noted that public-monopoly news media bosses and minions do "not mean well" got it right; Ms. Lieberman did not. When newsmen fail to apply standards of realism to the words of political candidates, officeholders or spokesmen or any description, they are aiding and abetting crimes, not merely doing an unprofessional level of reporting. In the present crisis, with the Constitution being ignored by one party and misunderstood by the other equally Medieval pseudo-religious party, this one problem becomes critical: We are not seeking as a government to improve a good-enough Constitution; rather the reforms we must seek now are manifestly those needed to restore liberty to responsible citizen individuals and to take totalitarian powers away from out-of-control advocates of imperial presidential dictatorship (by decree, fraud, dirty tricks, stealth and worse). Until we can remove money bribers and malfeasance by media tsars and their aides from our political process, we can never again have an election--just as we have had no meaningful election this time, again. A contest wherein slander, irrelevant trivia, outward appearances and false definitions trump truth everywhere--with no non-fictional personnel to act as umpires, nor Federal election commissioners worth the name, nor judicial protectors acting for truth tellers, honest minds are left in the position of solitary whistle-blowers being pitted against a government and a media of criminal malefactors Look what happened to the candidacies John Edwards, and Joseph Biden on the Democratic side alone. They were slandered, ignored and buried in an avalanche of unaccountable funds showered on two "leading candidates"--"leading" before a word had been spoken, an approbation had been sought, a mental credential had ever been checked or not checked... This is not election coverage it is self-evident treason--and look at who is making the most of it. Certainly not reform candidates nor honest citizens. Our healthcare system costs about twice as much as anyone else's, routinely denies coverage at first asking in the hopes the patient will go away, give up or die, and massively overpays drug corporation 'tsars', medical organizatiion 'tsars' and paper pushing beureaucrats while starving nurses and cheating patients out of billions and billions of dollars a year. There's your story, reporters. The "best health care system in the world"? If you can't report Mr. McCain's lie, then what will be his or anyone else's next lie? "The world's greatest economy?", "we have more liberty than any other nation's citizens?" or "our educational system is the greatest?" How about, "This is the greatest country?" By what possible standard? Grow up or die, citizens. Remember, these lies are what you will die of--the big lie; repeated statist- postmodernist untruths, and the motives and crimes of those who countenance them in order to seize more and more power, over you--your lives,'your liberties and your pursuit of whatever little happiness remains possible to you under such a covert and increasingly overt tyranny. Is this what you want? Isn't this what public newsmen are permitted to want--and to abet? Trudy Lieberman has put a finger here on the DOA pulse of a defunct media.
Whether one understands the role of media as defending individual’s rights or more narrowly as one of requiring the reporter to challenge or even correct errors in unattested facts, unaccountable value attitudes or false science, to fail to mention Mr. McCain’s myths as “myths” not truths is to cede the arena of nonfiction to postmdodernists: to those who warp, deny, evade or replace the real so as to inculcate an annunciated replacement universe in the minds of their brainwashed victims.
This is the missing link among pseudo-religious pretensions to inspired revelation played out in thisworld where manifestly such otherworldly ideas can never work, criminal actions against victims of fraud and totalitarian public-interest-excused lawmaking compelling victims to do and not do, say they believe or don’t believe and pay and receive what at gunpoint they’re compelled to concede.
I noticed this lie by Mr. McCain during a debate, and have written about it in a number of op-ed responses. I used it as the centerpiece of my objections to the repetitions of slanders, lies, false motivation assertions and failures to apply scientific standards to coverage of all candidates.
We must have regulations governing the form of non-fictional and visual utterances/transmissions emitted by those legally permitted to conduct “news”, write book, etc.
These regulations I say must apply to separating, categorically, attested facts from myths, standards based evaluations from unaccounted attitudes pro or con (and access to the legal use of value terms), and full scientific assertion as versus unsupported beliefs.
The commenter who noted that public-monopoly news media bosses and minions do “not mean well” got it right; Ms. Lieberman did not. When newsmen fail to apply standards of realism to the words of political candidates, officeholders or spokesmen or any description, they are aiding and abetting crimes, not merely doing an unprofessional level of reporting.
In the present crisis, with the Constitution being ignored by one party and misunderstood by the other equally Medieval pseudo-religious party, this one problem becomes critical: We are not seeking as a government to improve a good-enough Constitution; rather the reforms we must seek now are manifestly those needed to restore liberty to responsible citizen individuals and to take totalitarian powers away from out-of-control advocates of imperial presidential dictatorship (by decree, fraud, dirty tricks, stealth and worse).
Until we can remove money bribers and malfeasance by media tsars and their aides from our political process, we can never again have an election–just as we have had no meaningful election this time, again.
A contest wherein slander, irrelevant trivia, outward appearances and false definitions trump truth everywhere–with no non-fictional personnel to act as umpires, nor Federal election commissioners worth the name, nor judicial protectors acting for truth tellers, honest minds are left in the position of solitary whistle-blowers being pitted against a government and a media of criminal malefactors
Look what happened to the candidacies John Edwards, and Joseph Biden on the Democratic side alone. They were slandered, ignored and buried in an avalanche of unaccountable funds showered on two “leading candidates”–”leading” before a word had been spoken, an approbation had been sought, a mental credential had ever been checked or not checked…
This is not election coverage it is self-evident treason–and look at who is making the most of it. Certainly not reform candidates nor honest citizens.
Our healthcare system costs about twice as much as anyone else’s, routinely denies coverage at first asking in the hopes the patient will go away, give up or die, and massively overpays drug corporation ‘tsars’, medical organizatiion ‘tsars’ and paper pushing beureaucrats while starving nurses and cheating patients out of billions and billions of dollars a year. There’s your story, reporters.
The “best health care system in the world”? If you can’t report Mr. McCain’s lie, then what will be his or anyone else’s next lie? “The world’s greatest economy?”, “we have more liberty than any other nation’s citizens?” or “our educational system is the greatest?” How about, “This is the greatest country?”
By what possible standard?
Grow up or die, citizens. Remember, these lies are what you will die of–the big lie; repeated statist- postmodernist untruths, and the motives and crimes of those who countenance them in order to seize more and more power, over you–your lives,’your liberties and your pursuit of whatever little happiness remains possible to you under such a covert and increasingly overt tyranny.
Is this what you want?
Isn’t this what public newsmen are permitted to want–and to abet?

]]> by: Rowland Scherman http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15875 Fri, 09 May 2008 01:48:01 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15875 NPR and Public Television should be fully funded by the government. That was the way it was set up. Who cut it back to near zero? The Republicans? NPR and Public Television should be fully funded by the government. That was the way it was set up. Who cut it back to near zero? The Republicans?

]]> by: SKETCHY41 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15863 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:34:57 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15863 Stop buying the products behind these so called media people. Don't by anything the last day of each month, where a bandana to let others know you are protesting all of the lying and cheating that is happening to the people of this country. Do something! Stop buying the products behind these so called media people. Don’t by anything the last day of each month, where a bandana to let others know you are protesting all of the lying and cheating that is happening to the people of this country. Do something!

]]> by: Cord;ey Coit http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15858 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:16:15 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15858 We have third world medical care for the poor. Fifty million people go to ERs or street medics, wise women,herbalists, Chinese Doctors,EMTs, ex beanie medics, doggie docs, all sorts of healers other than MDs. Cuba has this country beat when it comes to helping the sick and injured. I even knew a do it yourself dentist. In Colorado in some areas the poor let their teeth rot out. This is turn of the century North America, what do you expect health care? We have third world medical care for the poor. Fifty million people go to ERs or street medics, wise women,herbalists, Chinese Doctors,EMTs, ex beanie medics, doggie docs, all sorts of healers other than MDs.
Cuba has this country beat when it comes to helping the sick and injured. I even knew a do it yourself dentist. In Colorado in some areas the poor let their teeth rot out. This is turn of the century North America, what do you expect health care?

]]> by: Myra Jones http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15856 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:04:22 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/05/08/the-world%e2%80%99s-best-health-care%e2%80%94really/#comment-15856 I agree with the article on health care-- we do have a bad system, not too many people know how bad, and the changes needed are not being discussed nearly enough-- and the media must take part of the blame. However, when people talk about what a lousy job the media does, they often begin with the assumption that journalists mean well-- like when Hoyt a former editor, says that journalists say something once and then think they have done their job and don't have to repeat. That doesn't explain why we are overdosed on celebrity trivia. The media don't appear to mind repeating that. Let's face it, the media DONT mean well-- they are owned by the Establishment, they act as the mouthpiece of the Establishment and they attack anything that threatens it--like Obama. Look at recent Obama coverage. The media have performed exactly as you would expect: they took the most outrageous attacks on Obama, amplified them, and discussed them to death. They naturally did not try to put anything in context or discover the truth. They showed very little footage of what Obama actually said-- most of the footage was people commenting on Obama, usually his critics. I especially like their trick of assigning motivation -- as though they were privy to the mental functioning of Obama (or whoever is the current target). I am sick of the way the media trivialize everything, the ABC debate was typical -- half of OUR time was wasted on stupid trivial questions, while important ones never get asked. Which of course is the point, not the accidental outcome. I hope to goodness that we don't have to suffer through the same witless garbage during the next election. We should at least take the debates out of the hands of the networks and give it to some organization with intelligence and no ax to grind--like the League of Women Voters-- and broadcast on Public TV and C-SPAN, not a commercial channel. I agree with the article on health care– we do have a bad system, not too many people know how bad, and the changes needed are not being discussed nearly enough– and the media must take part of the blame.

However, when people talk about what a lousy job the media does, they often begin with the assumption that journalists mean well– like when Hoyt a former editor, says that journalists say something once and then think they have done their job and don’t have to repeat. That doesn’t explain why we are overdosed on celebrity trivia. The media don’t appear to mind repeating that.

Let’s face it, the media DONT mean well– they are owned by the Establishment, they act as the mouthpiece of the Establishment and they attack anything that threatens it–like Obama.

Look at recent Obama coverage. The media have performed exactly as you would expect: they took the most outrageous attacks on Obama, amplified them, and discussed them to death. They naturally did not try to put anything in context or discover the truth. They showed very little footage of what Obama actually said– most of the footage was people commenting on Obama, usually his critics. I especially like their trick of assigning motivation — as though they were privy to the mental functioning of Obama (or whoever is the current target).

I am sick of the way the media trivialize everything, the ABC debate was typical — half of OUR time was wasted on stupid trivial questions, while important ones never get asked. Which of course is the point, not the accidental outcome.

I hope to goodness that we don’t have to suffer through the same witless garbage during the next election. We should at least take the debates out of the hands of the networks and give it to some organization with intelligence and no ax to grind–like the League of Women Voters– and broadcast on Public TV and C-SPAN, not a commercial channel.

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