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]]> by: Robert M. Cerello http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-11009 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:02:50 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-11009 In my belief, for what it's worth, Professor Jensen is exactly correct to worry about the altruistic possible pro-Democratic bias of this group; every much as he would be right to worry about the pro-statist nature or Republicanism of any insttution whose successes and more, their failures, the organization Pro Publica's leaders plan to track--and of the trackers. The organization sounds hopeful to me; and its tracking of major issues is not a purpose self-evidently without merit. But I claim Jensen is correct in arguing the fundamentally flawed nature of public-interest institutions. This I assert is what is wrong wih the United States' leaders' and citizens enactments--not that everyone is evil, corrupted, stupid nor incapable of perfection so long as they are on Earth. The problem is that in 1902, the then Republican leaders changed the E.S. Constituion from basically thisworldly realism applied to the individual who owned life, liberty and pursuit of priorities to make him "happy" and altered that purpose to read de facto "public good served by elected and appointed authorities'. The would-be imperial 'tsars' of government, bureaucracy and education took from 1902--1994 to complete their gradual top-down politcally-correct conversion of the bumbling but reality- based American governmental system to their new benevolent despotic paradigms. You are living in the result of that betrayal. It was an immense betrayal I argue of all the individuals who formely needed no one's permission to live, hope, deal with one another physically in (obviously inadequately defined) marketplaces, espouse an idea, earn money if they could and live, die, succeed, fail always with a reference to Real space-time--to whether their idea, actipons, products, etc. were found valuable by other minds within a fairly free legalized situation of judgment or even of informed opinion. But this is not the way the US works now. Now every field of thought and endeavor is gaurded at an entryway by non-bona-fided gatekeeper-tsars of orthodxy; every such entry and riser and plateau of control, influence, definition, earning, leadership, reward and initiation now depends on one's escaping the vigilance of correctness police: of officials or others savagely commited to micro-controlling what is published, disseminated, practiced, advocated and believed. In words of one syllable, objectivity--which consists in first telling others what one's reality picture comprises and only then applying it as a lens--has been eliminated; by the required pretense that objectivity must be agreed to consist of "preventing others from knowing your secret agenda" The one against you are measuring all that is new, unusual, suggested as change or identified as failure. Pro Publica may be a great boon to the citzens of this country. The reason newspapers, 80--85% right-wing, can be accused by Republicans of being liberal is because the failures of their system that adversely affect individual lives is a liberal coverage. Liberal means, "Concern with the rights and freedoms of the individual as opposed to any collective". So when one covers a crusade-worthy story, etc.-- it alway requires that one cares about the negative effects of the system's workings on someone. But caring about negatives clearly isn't enough. One has to as a news or non-fictions source identify what one finds positive, normative, realistically valid first. Then by sticking to attested facts and banning myths, evaluating according to standards and not to discontexted attitudes, and requiring full scientific proof and permitting no mere beliefs to be expressed, what one reports will have objective merit and utility to its hearer, if he/she takes the trouble to ingest and appreciate the facts and derived arguments presented. One suggestion: eliminate headlines, Pro Publica activists. Identiy the area you're studying and go to your work--present it as "what we found out about public schols" or "what we found out about wolves in idaho", etc., etc., etc. If you do these few things, you will render a great service to all the citizens of this once-free country. If you do not, the dustbin of history is capacious. It will have room for your failed efforts, alongside those of all the dishonest, the hubristic, the self-deluded and the postmodernist-pragmatist frauds whose lies are there, under a nameplate on the garbage bin which reads, "They Didn't Know Enough About What They Were Doing." In my belief, for what it’s worth, Professor Jensen is exactly correct to worry about the altruistic possible pro-Democratic bias of this group; every much as he would be right to worry about the pro-statist nature or Republicanism of any insttution whose successes and more, their failures, the organization Pro Publica’s leaders plan to track–and of the trackers.
The organization sounds hopeful to me; and its tracking of major issues is not a purpose self-evidently without merit. But I claim Jensen is correct in arguing the fundamentally flawed nature of public-interest institutions.
This I assert is what is wrong wih the United States’ leaders’ and citizens enactments–not that everyone is evil, corrupted, stupid nor incapable of perfection so long as they are on Earth. The problem is that in 1902, the then Republican leaders changed the E.S. Constituion from basically thisworldly realism applied to the individual who owned life, liberty and pursuit of priorities to make him “happy” and altered that purpose to read de facto “public good served by elected and appointed authorities’.
The would-be imperial ‘tsars’ of government, bureaucracy and education took from 1902–1994 to complete their gradual top-down politcally-correct conversion of the bumbling but reality- based American governmental system to their
new benevolent despotic paradigms. You are living in the result of that betrayal.
It was an immense betrayal I argue of all the individuals who formely needed no one’s permission to live, hope, deal with one another physically in (obviously inadequately defined) marketplaces, espouse an idea, earn money if they could and live, die, succeed, fail always with a reference to Real space-time–to whether their idea, actipons, products, etc. were found valuable by other minds within a fairly free legalized situation of judgment or even of informed opinion. But this is not the way the US works now.
Now every field of thought and endeavor is gaurded at an entryway by non-bona-fided gatekeeper-tsars of orthodxy; every such entry and riser and plateau of control, influence, definition, earning, leadership, reward and initiation now depends on one’s escaping the vigilance of correctness police: of officials or others savagely commited to micro-controlling what is published, disseminated, practiced, advocated and believed.
In words of one syllable, objectivity–which consists in first telling others what one’s reality picture comprises and only then applying it as a lens–has been eliminated; by the required pretense that objectivity must be agreed to consist of “preventing others from knowing your secret agenda” The one against you are measuring all that is new, unusual, suggested as change or identified as failure.
Pro Publica may be a great boon to the citzens of this country. The reason newspapers, 80–85% right-wing, can be accused by Republicans of being liberal is because the failures of their system that adversely affect individual lives is a liberal coverage. Liberal means, “Concern with the rights and freedoms of the individual as opposed to any collective”.
So when one covers a crusade-worthy story, etc.– it alway requires that one cares about the negative effects of the system’s workings on someone. But caring about negatives clearly isn’t enough.
One has to as a news or non-fictions source identify what one finds positive, normative, realistically valid first. Then by sticking to attested facts and banning myths, evaluating according to standards and not to discontexted attitudes, and requiring full scientific proof and permitting no mere beliefs to be expressed, what one reports will have objective merit and utility to its hearer, if he/she takes the trouble to ingest and appreciate the facts and derived arguments presented.
One suggestion: eliminate headlines, Pro Publica activists. Identiy the area you’re studying and go to your work–present it as “what we found out about public schols” or “what we found out about wolves in idaho”, etc., etc., etc. If you do these few things, you will render a great service to all the citizens of this once-free country.
If you do not, the dustbin of history is capacious. It will have room for your failed efforts, alongside those of all the dishonest, the hubristic, the self-deluded and the postmodernist-pragmatist frauds whose lies are there, under a nameplate on the garbage bin which reads, “They Didn’t Know Enough About What They Were Doing.”

]]> by: seabury lyon http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-10978 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:32:48 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-10978 I think Jensen presents a problem. Rather than seeing the Pro Publica mission statement as a general concept that can be expected (hoped?) to morph to meet the needs of current environments, he sees constraints and evasions. He sees "but" instead of "and" in his examples. Perhaps it's just to avoid appearances of a shill. Let's hope so because Pro Publica sounds to me like the last and greatest hope for salvation of a free press -and American democracy itself. I think Jensen presents a problem. Rather than seeing the Pro Publica mission statement as a general concept that can be expected (hoped?) to morph to meet the needs of current environments, he sees constraints and evasions. He sees “but” instead of “and” in his examples. Perhaps it’s just to avoid appearances of a shill. Let’s hope so because Pro Publica sounds to me like the last and greatest hope for salvation of a free press -and American democracy itself.

]]> by: Allene Swienckowski http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-10972 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:37:17 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/02/07/investigative-journalism-project-reveals-problem-at-core-of-mainstream-journalism/#comment-10972 I think, based on what has been intertwined in the MSM in the years of the Bush administration that any attempt on the part of any major entity to expose wrong doing is commendable. I think the real issue is whether or not the MSM and it's need to recoup profits will in fact incorporatesome, or many of the investigative pieces that need voice in the MSM without regard to the fact that revenue could be lost because of the pieces subject matter. And that is the dilemma of today's journalists: can they leave behind their desire to maintain a comfy lifestyle to report on issues that would require them to remove their rose-colored or biased glasses? I think, based on what has been intertwined in the MSM in the years of the Bush administration that any attempt on the part of any major entity to expose wrong doing is commendable. I think the real issue is whether or not the MSM and it’s need to recoup profits will in fact incorporatesome, or many of the investigative pieces that need voice in the MSM without regard to the fact that revenue could be lost because of the pieces subject matter. And that is the dilemma of today’s journalists: can they leave behind their desire to maintain a comfy lifestyle to report on issues that would require them to remove their rose-colored or biased glasses?

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