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	<title>Comments on: Stimulate This: Why The Talk of Economic Stimulus Will Remain Talk</title>
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		<title>by: Tori Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for the insightful comments.   I agree that electing Ron Paul would be a good beginning. However, it is apparent that we need to get many new people in the legislature that would be supportive of his ideas.  I have watched over the years as the President of one party can't accomplish much with a legislature dominated by the other party.  This may be a good thing since the government is in the business of grabbing more power from the states.  The way I see it, we are a post democracy, well on our way to a police state.  Could the stories be true that assert there is a small influential core of people, including wealthy powerful bankers, CEO's and others worldwide who have over the years been sowing the financial seeds of destruction in this country (and worldwide)with a goal of demolishing our economy for purposes of further enriching themselves and consolidating ever more power. If so we have just begun to see the suffering they have planned for us.  I personally do not think we can vote our way out of this mess.  It must be made widely known that increasing the supply of paper money is the true cause of inflation.
We must also not allow the govm't to find some excuse to regulate the internet or it will be almost impossible to fight the power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the insightful comments.   I agree that electing Ron Paul would be a good beginning. However, it is apparent that we need to get many new people in the legislature that would be supportive of his ideas.  I have watched over the years as the President of one party can&#8217;t accomplish much with a legislature dominated by the other party.  This may be a good thing since the government is in the business of grabbing more power from the states.  The way I see it, we are a post democracy, well on our way to a police state.  Could the stories be true that assert there is a small influential core of people, including wealthy powerful bankers, CEO&#8217;s and others worldwide who have over the years been sowing the financial seeds of destruction in this country (and worldwide)with a goal of demolishing our economy for purposes of further enriching themselves and consolidating ever more power. If so we have just begun to see the suffering they have planned for us.  I personally do not think we can vote our way out of this mess.  It must be made widely known that increasing the supply of paper money is the true cause of inflation.<br />
We must also not allow the govm&#8217;t to find some excuse to regulate the internet or it will be almost impossible to fight the power.
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		<title>by: V Weber</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Greetings
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Free Competition In Currency Act HR4683
Rep Ron Paul Dec. 13th 2007
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Lord Jesus Save US
End Sin Of Usury
Prayerfully
V Weber
Soul777@netzero.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings<br />
Pray &amp; Support <a href="http://www.LibertyDollar.org" rel="nofollow">www.LibertyDollar.org</a><br />
Free Competition In Currency Act HR4683<br />
Rep Ron Paul Dec. 13th 2007<br />
<a href="http://www.RonPaul2008.com" rel="nofollow">www.RonPaul2008.com</a><br />
Lord Jesus Save US<br />
End Sin Of Usury<br />
Prayerfully<br />
V Weber<br />
<a href="mailto:Soul777@netzero.net">Soul777@netzero.net</a>
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		<title>by: Lark</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We MUST elect Ron Paul... or we're sunk. Period. Plain and simple.

Abolish the IRS. Repeal the 16th Amendment. Both are two of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people.

If you don't believe this now... you soon will - so please try taking at least THAT to the bank!

In the meantime, determine what's real and truly valuable to living your life - this, after all is said and done, is the essence of what it means to be truly FREE.

What can you do WITHOUT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We MUST elect Ron Paul&#8230; or we&#8217;re sunk. Period. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>Abolish the IRS. Repeal the 16th Amendment. Both are two of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe this now&#8230; you soon will - so please try taking at least THAT to the bank!</p>
<p>In the meantime, determine what&#8217;s real and truly valuable to living your life - this, after all is said and done, is the essence of what it means to be truly FREE.</p>
<p>What can you do WITHOUT?
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		<title>by: SoftwareEng</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The underlying problem with the economy is an extreme maldistribution of income between the working class and the capital owners. When a CEO can make 300 million dollars while an average worker's wages haven't even kept pace with inflation what results is a dysfunctional market economy starved for consumption spending. The average American has had to fuel his/her spending with debt obtained by borrowing on the equity within their home - that phantom equity has now evaporated. 

In order to correct this out of balance condition there needs to be laws in place (similar to the anti-Trust legislation) that caps the annual income of all capital owners and their surrogates (CEOs, CFOs, etc.) at a specific federal percentage above that of the highest paid worker within their respective firm. Also, we need to eliminate labor arbitrage by canceling all Temporary Worker Visa programs (L-1, H1-B, etc.), and establish tax penalties for firms that expand their workforce above some threshold through outsourcing, or replacement hiring in foreign locations.

Essentially, FDR was accurate when he characterized the Great Depression as an out-of-balance Economic malady. Rural income prior to the Great Depression was significantly lower than urban income, now (overvalued home equity) as then there was unlimited amounts of overvalued phantom equity flowing into the stock market, the income differential between labor and capital while nowhere near the current astronomical level was still much higher than sustainable. There in lies the root cause of the out-of-balance condition that precipitated the Great Depression. Any system including the market economy that gets to far out balance does not function properly. Certain constraints need to exist to keep the market economy from slipping into a dysfunctional state. Balance is the essence of stability nothing short of this will guarantee permanence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underlying problem with the economy is an extreme maldistribution of income between the working class and the capital owners. When a CEO can make 300 million dollars while an average worker&#8217;s wages haven&#8217;t even kept pace with inflation what results is a dysfunctional market economy starved for consumption spending. The average American has had to fuel his/her spending with debt obtained by borrowing on the equity within their home - that phantom equity has now evaporated. </p>
<p>In order to correct this out of balance condition there needs to be laws in place (similar to the anti-Trust legislation) that caps the annual income of all capital owners and their surrogates (CEOs, CFOs, etc.) at a specific federal percentage above that of the highest paid worker within their respective firm. Also, we need to eliminate labor arbitrage by canceling all Temporary Worker Visa programs (L-1, H1-B, etc.), and establish tax penalties for firms that expand their workforce above some threshold through outsourcing, or replacement hiring in foreign locations.</p>
<p>Essentially, FDR was accurate when he characterized the Great Depression as an out-of-balance Economic malady. Rural income prior to the Great Depression was significantly lower than urban income, now (overvalued home equity) as then there was unlimited amounts of overvalued phantom equity flowing into the stock market, the income differential between labor and capital while nowhere near the current astronomical level was still much higher than sustainable. There in lies the root cause of the out-of-balance condition that precipitated the Great Depression. Any system including the market economy that gets to far out balance does not function properly. Certain constraints need to exist to keep the market economy from slipping into a dysfunctional state. Balance is the essence of stability nothing short of this will guarantee permanence.
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		<title>by: Ron Robins</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great discussion! I've been following the ethics surrounding finance and investing for forty years. I believe that the present economic crisis has its roots in the quality and character of the 'collective consciousness' of the US.

Furthermore, bad ethics are everywhere, from bogus, manipulated CPI, GDP figures, to the denial by most bank/business economists that US debt levels are not a time bomb!

I've written a post in my blog, the title of which, I beleive, says it all. "Debt. Americans search for fulfillment." It's at http://enlightenedeconomics.wordpress.com/ 

I also cover the latest socially responsible investing at http://investingforthesoul.com/

Best wishes, Ron Robins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion! I&#8217;ve been following the ethics surrounding finance and investing for forty years. I believe that the present economic crisis has its roots in the quality and character of the &#8216;collective consciousness&#8217; of the US.</p>
<p>Furthermore, bad ethics are everywhere, from bogus, manipulated CPI, GDP figures, to the denial by most bank/business economists that US debt levels are not a time bomb!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a post in my blog, the title of which, I beleive, says it all. &#8220;Debt. Americans search for fulfillment.&#8221; It&#8217;s at <a href="http://enlightenedeconomics.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://enlightenedeconomics.wordpress.com/</a> </p>
<p>I also cover the latest socially responsible investing at <a href="http://investingforthesoul.com/" rel="nofollow">http://investingforthesoul.com/</a></p>
<p>Best wishes, Ron Robins
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		<title>by: del munroe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>the 26 year war on the working poor and middle class started by Reagan was indeed successfull .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the 26 year war on the working poor and middle class started by Reagan was indeed successfull .
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		<title>by: CW Spurchise</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Excellent article! 

We have so many problems and most of the presidential candidates are talking short term fixes. Returning some of our money to us in the form of tax rebates/credits is not going to prevent the country from spiraling downward into economic hell. What the government needs to do is stop the outflow of non-essential spending. 

First the stupid occupation in Iraq. What is the point of all this? We are in a police action since 2003, chasing a few hundred insurgents who want to kill each other for religious reasons and control of their oil. It’s costing us 8 billion dollars a month and is a waste!
Almost 4,000 soldiers have died already and there is still no political solution even remotely close to being formed. Nation building didn’t work in Vietnam and we lost 58,000 young men for nothing.

Second, the government has to stop over-regulating business. Some directives are necessary, but Congress goes to far. What good did all those SEC rules do for the Enron fiasco?  Fraud was still committed and no matter how much you punish the rest of the business community with high cost regulations such as Sarbanes-Oxley, corruption will still happen. The trouble is that Congress has to justify their political existence and retention of power to the American people by presenting a false face of ‘good government’.

I have learned a lot about the dishonesty of our government since paying more attention to the presidential election coming up in November of this year. 

I am voting for Congressman Ron Paul because I agree with most of his platform, although not all of his ideas. His articles on governmental issues are very interesting and can be found at: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article! </p>
<p>We have so many problems and most of the presidential candidates are talking short term fixes. Returning some of our money to us in the form of tax rebates/credits is not going to prevent the country from spiraling downward into economic hell. What the government needs to do is stop the outflow of non-essential spending. </p>
<p>First the stupid occupation in Iraq. What is the point of all this? We are in a police action since 2003, chasing a few hundred insurgents who want to kill each other for religious reasons and control of their oil. It’s costing us 8 billion dollars a month and is a waste!<br />
Almost 4,000 soldiers have died already and there is still no political solution even remotely close to being formed. Nation building didn’t work in Vietnam and we lost 58,000 young men for nothing.</p>
<p>Second, the government has to stop over-regulating business. Some directives are necessary, but Congress goes to far. What good did all those SEC rules do for the Enron fiasco?  Fraud was still committed and no matter how much you punish the rest of the business community with high cost regulations such as Sarbanes-Oxley, corruption will still happen. The trouble is that Congress has to justify their political existence and retention of power to the American people by presenting a false face of ‘good government’.</p>
<p>I have learned a lot about the dishonesty of our government since paying more attention to the presidential election coming up in November of this year. </p>
<p>I am voting for Congressman Ron Paul because I agree with most of his platform, although not all of his ideas. His articles on governmental issues are very interesting and can be found at: <a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles</a>
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