Comments on: Is The Economy “Out Of The Woods?” http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/ As The Media Watches The World, We Watch The Media Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Bruce Walker http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6433 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:17:59 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6433 I think the statistics book you're refering to is "How to Lie with Statistics" by Darrell Huff (pictures by Irving Geis) originally published in the early 1950's and in print continuously since then. It is a true classic. Go buy a copy and read it if you haven't already. The points made in it haven't lost any of their meaning in the past 50 years, though some of the examples are dated. I think the statistics book you’re refering to is “How to Lie with Statistics” by Darrell Huff (pictures by Irving Geis) originally published in the early 1950’s and in print continuously since then.

It is a true classic. Go buy a copy and read it if you haven’t already. The points made in it haven’t lost any of their meaning in the past 50 years, though some of the examples are dated.

]]> by: elise krentzel http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6426 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:20:59 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6426 As an American expatriate who has left the country, thank goodness in 1989 for the second and last time, I would like to kick some butt REAL hard so that the citizens of the USA start to take action so as to unshackle themselves from the slave bound lies and policies that are depleting the country's most valuable resource: those very people. How can I as one lone ranger do that? Everyone reading this site is intelligent, aware and in complete agreeement with you Danny. I've donated dollars to you to keep up the work. We need a tremendous forcefield to sweep the nation into wakefulness. I agree with the comment above about the country becoming a Banana Republic and that the election being stolen in 2000 was the lowest point in the history of this undemocratic regime. Still, when people are forcefed consumer products and fast food, they become inured. It will take a revolution. As an American expatriate who has left the country, thank goodness in 1989 for the second and last time, I would like to kick some butt REAL hard so that the citizens of the USA start to take action so as to unshackle themselves from the slave bound lies and policies that are depleting the country’s most valuable resource: those very people. How can I as one lone ranger do that? Everyone reading this site is intelligent, aware and in complete agreeement with you Danny. I’ve donated dollars to you to keep up the work. We need a tremendous forcefield to sweep the nation into wakefulness. I agree with the comment above about the country becoming a Banana Republic and that the election being stolen in 2000 was the lowest point in the history of this undemocratic regime. Still, when people are forcefed consumer products and fast food, they become inured. It will take a revolution.

]]> by: davy http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6360 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:34:52 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6360 TRUST, did you really ask if we TRUST? After the first lie I always give a second chance, but after years of lies . . . TRUST, did you really ask if we TRUST? After the first lie I always give a second chance, but after years of lies . . .

]]> by: C. Douglas Kouka Allen http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6336 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:51:20 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6336 I believe what everyone is saying is that "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics!" The title of a great "beginners" book on statistics and the authors name I am unable to remember at this time. Hell, I had the course back in the '70's? At any rate, we can now feel reasonably confident that what we felt might be taking place with this G.W. administration is actually taking place! G.W. has NEVER told a truth, that I am aware of? And he has manipulated every department under him, including the fourth estate-the MSM, into following his lead. We all--EVERYONE OF US--missed the first opportunity to stop this, the theft of the 2000 election. Likewise, we stood by and let the 2004 election be stolen! What will we do in 2008, if there really is an election in 2008? Can we afford to wait and find out? I believe what everyone is saying is that “There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics!” The title of a great “beginners” book on statistics and the authors name I am unable to remember at this time. Hell, I had the course back in the ’70’s?

At any rate, we can now feel reasonably confident that what we felt might be taking place with this G.W. administration is actually taking place! G.W. has NEVER told a truth, that I am aware of? And he has manipulated every department under him, including the fourth estate-the MSM, into following his lead.

We all–EVERYONE OF US–missed the first opportunity to stop this, the theft of the 2000 election. Likewise, we stood by and let the 2004 election be stolen! What will we do in 2008, if there really is an election in 2008? Can we afford to wait and find out?

]]> by: Bob Lechtenberg http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6322 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:07:09 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6322 I have been skeptical of job growth figures for years. "New jobs" is a meaningless figure. We need a "living wage equivalent" figure to make sense of this data. A lost union job paying $45,000 per year with benefits worth 20% of base salary does not compare with a new full time food service job at minimum wage and no benefits. ' Why can't we have a jobs gained/jobs lost figure based on a standardized "living wage" job adequate to modestly support a family of 4 people--maybe $50,000 per year with benefits valued at 20% of base salary. Under this fomula, three or four "new" jobs at minimum wage and no benefits would equal one lost union job with benefits. Such a calculation would generate a "net gain/loss" of "living wage" jobs. Such a calculation would make sense to most citizens, allow them to decide easily if the economy is getting better or worse, and end the charade of labor department spin that reports only the meaningless figure of "new jobs created". I have been skeptical of job growth figures for years. “New jobs” is a meaningless figure. We need a “living wage equivalent” figure to make sense of this data. A lost union job paying $45,000 per year with benefits worth 20% of base salary does not compare with a new full time food service job at minimum wage and no benefits. ‘
Why can’t we have a jobs gained/jobs lost figure based on a standardized “living wage” job adequate to modestly support a family of 4 people–maybe $50,000 per year with benefits valued at 20% of base salary. Under this fomula, three or four “new” jobs at minimum wage and no benefits would equal one lost union job with benefits. Such a calculation would generate a “net gain/loss” of “living wage” jobs. Such a calculation would make sense to most citizens, allow them to decide easily if the economy is getting better or worse, and end the charade of labor department spin that reports only the meaningless figure of “new jobs created”.

]]> by: Cord;ey Coit http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6318 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:16:16 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6318 Both Robert and Danny have it right. How can a non existent economy turn around. There is nothing manufactured in this country, the smallest business are off shore. The art book I buy is made in China. The smallest art tool is made in China and useless, even dangerous. "My"style of drawing is made in China. The owners of these small and not so small businesses are simply front office people, actors hired to look good for the Chinese military machine. The news people reporting are simply actors for far away bankers. welcome to "the desert of the real." With thanks to John Zarzen... Both Robert and Danny have it right. How can a non existent economy turn around.
There is nothing manufactured in this country, the smallest business are off shore. The art book I buy is made in China. The smallest art tool is made in China and useless, even dangerous.

“My”style of drawing is made in China.

The owners of these small and not so small businesses are simply front office people, actors hired to look good for the Chinese military machine.

The news people reporting are simply actors for far away bankers. welcome to “the desert of the real.” With thanks to John Zarzen…

]]> by: Robert M. Cerello http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6310 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:19:34 +0000 http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2007/10/08/is-the-economy-out-of-the-woods/#comment-6310 I'll keep it simple: this is a very important and insightful piece. The falsity, inadequacy, or irrelevant headlining, content or lack of content of official government economic figures is a matter of a vital distinction--between government servitors doing their constitutuonal jobs and treason being committed. Economics is the science of capitalism--what happens in what's supposed to be a category-level defined marketplace of lives, of societal agreement-signing citizens and the responsibilities and limited partnership agreements they make with one another in re jobs and leadership attainments, goods and services and elected and appointed tribunate positions, including definings, monitorings, legal, judicial, police and monitoring positions and more. What Mr. Schechter describes here I assert is a non-economy--a totalitarian imitation of a former country. By definition, a totalitarian public-interest tsardom has no monetary system--bills are printed like toilet paper by the tsar's boys and handed out to cronies. So too are lies--coined by the in crowd and foisted off on victims as disinformation, false information and anti-conceptual fraud. The United States has beyond argument been theoretically a public-interest dictatorship since 1902, and one in practice in full since 1994. The loss of manufacturing job, income, rights claimed under regulations by individuals, categorizing definitions that protect individual excellence, a cutback in monitors, increases infavors to undersving wealthy, bureaucratic, corporate, partisan henchmen, bribe artists, financial tsars, media tsars, academic tsars, monopolists and gatekeepers over every phase and area of thought, publication, jobs, hiring and merit--this litany of felony and treason should frighten the trousers off all of us. Of course the economy is terrible; my father fed at the public trough as a postman in 1941. To live as well as he did on 4,000 then, nowadays two people and two children would need over 100,000. Yet even his position is paid 28,000--and those without a hand in the public till are doing even worse relative to former economic decades. This is the political reality behind Mr. Schechter's admirable job of smelling a rat--or an entire administration of them when they lie about, cook or ignore prioritized true statistics... Thank you Mr. Schechter for telling the truth, the one that extremist Republicans and altruist Democrats, to a lesser degree, are refusing to tell us: that things are terrible, injust, and getting a lot worse slowly or rapidly depending upon your sector. That we have warped a nation whose constitution guaranteed each adult individual life, liberty and the pursuit of prioritized into the categorical opposite of that American protection of individual capital investment of time, money, hope, honesty, hard work, purpose ans eanred property. In a nation without rights, which is postmodernist in its anti-realism, anti-individualism and lack of an justice system and categorically-defined scientific definitions to protect individuals' rights, it's important that each citizen grasps his real position--slave to insider imperial presidential hacks, cronies and other psuedo-theocratic infallibility spouting public bosses. Our citizens need to know what's been done to them--so they'll stop looking for a savior on a white horse to come galoping down Pennsylvania Avenue to rescue them. After all, who'd want to be a citizen of the first republic in history whose citizens were so unrealistic in their thinking that they failed to recognize that they had been made wage slaves of a benevolent-as-hell empire of evil cronies and oil-worshipping neocon extremists? If the truth shall make you free, what do you think its opposite does? A word to the wise... I’ll keep it simple: this is a very important and insightful piece. The falsity, inadequacy, or irrelevant headlining, content or lack of content of official government economic figures is a matter of a vital distinction–between government servitors doing their constitutuonal jobs and treason being committed.
Economics is the science of capitalism–what happens in what’s supposed to be a category-level defined marketplace of lives, of societal agreement-signing citizens and the responsibilities and limited partnership agreements they make with one another in re jobs and leadership attainments,
goods and services and elected and appointed tribunate positions, including definings, monitorings, legal, judicial, police and monitoring positions and more.
What Mr. Schechter describes here I assert is a non-economy–a totalitarian imitation of a former country. By definition, a totalitarian public-interest tsardom has no monetary system–bills are printed like toilet paper by the tsar’s boys and handed out to cronies.
So too are lies–coined by the in crowd and foisted off on victims as disinformation, false information and anti-conceptual fraud.
The United States has beyond argument been theoretically a public-interest dictatorship since 1902, and one in practice in full since 1994. The loss of manufacturing job, income, rights claimed under regulations by individuals, categorizing definitions that protect individual excellence, a cutback in monitors, increases infavors to undersving wealthy, bureaucratic, corporate, partisan henchmen, bribe artists, financial tsars, media tsars, academic tsars, monopolists and gatekeepers over every phase and area of thought, publication, jobs, hiring and merit–this litany of felony and treason should frighten the trousers off all of us.
Of course the economy is terrible; my father fed at the public trough as a postman in 1941. To live as well as he did on 4,000 then, nowadays two people and two children would need over 100,000. Yet even his position is paid 28,000–and those without a hand in the public till are doing even worse relative to former economic decades.
This is the political reality behind Mr. Schechter’s admirable job of smelling a rat–or an entire administration of them when they lie about, cook or ignore prioritized true statistics…
Thank you Mr. Schechter for telling the truth, the one that extremist Republicans and altruist Democrats, to a lesser degree, are refusing to tell us: that things are terrible, injust, and getting a lot worse slowly or rapidly depending upon your sector. That we have warped a nation whose constitution guaranteed each adult individual life, liberty and the pursuit of prioritized into the categorical opposite of that American protection of individual capital investment of time, money, hope, honesty, hard work, purpose ans eanred property.
In a nation without rights, which is postmodernist in its anti-realism, anti-individualism and lack of an justice system and categorically-defined scientific definitions to protect individuals’ rights, it’s important that each citizen grasps his real position–slave to insider imperial presidential hacks, cronies and other psuedo-theocratic infallibility spouting public bosses.
Our citizens need to know what’s been done to them–so they’ll stop looking for a savior on a white horse to come galoping down Pennsylvania Avenue to rescue them.
After all, who’d want to be a citizen of the first republic in history whose citizens were so unrealistic in their thinking that they failed to recognize that they had been made wage slaves of a benevolent-as-hell empire of evil cronies and oil-worshipping neocon extremists?
If the truth shall make you free, what do you think its opposite does? A word to the wise…

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