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		<title>by: gerry long</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 04:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Of course congress contains a bunch of whores who have sold out to the Military/Industrial/Media Complex.

And there are some more dots to connect.  Impeach Bush and Cheney?.....no way.  the Military/Industrial/Media Complex likes these two bastards, and have let congress know they are not to be impeached.

That's why people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich cannot get any media coverage.  They talk about those realities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course congress contains a bunch of whores who have sold out to the Military/Industrial/Media Complex.</p>
<p>And there are some more dots to connect.  Impeach Bush and Cheney?&#8230;..no way.  the Military/Industrial/Media Complex likes these two bastards, and have let congress know they are not to be impeached.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich cannot get any media coverage.  They talk about those realities.
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		<title>by: john polifronio</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 01:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If the democrats lack the vote, what is to be gained by casting a purely symbolic opposition to the funding of the invasion of Iraq?  There may be consequences for a NO vote that were intolerable, especially when, in addition to the fact that Bush had the votes to win this round, the democrats might easily have lost political ground, as well as the minimum wage compromise, and health insurance for children benefits; they were able to extract from the repubulicans.  The fierce denunciation of the democratic leadership that many grass-roots democrats have predictibly expressed, over their demand for a vote with merely symbolic meaning, is stupid and regrettable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the democrats lack the vote, what is to be gained by casting a purely symbolic opposition to the funding of the invasion of Iraq?  There may be consequences for a NO vote that were intolerable, especially when, in addition to the fact that Bush had the votes to win this round, the democrats might easily have lost political ground, as well as the minimum wage compromise, and health insurance for children benefits; they were able to extract from the repubulicans.  The fierce denunciation of the democratic leadership that many grass-roots democrats have predictibly expressed, over their demand for a vote with merely symbolic meaning, is stupid and regrettable.
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		<title>by: Jay Diamond</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Though the conventional news media are certainly culpable, it must be noted and remembered that rightist propaganda drivel, ie., low-brow talk radio, calls itself "News", and literally tricks its moronic listeners into believing that the lying bullshit of Hannity, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc., IS "NEWS".

You must remember that:

A: The low-brow talk radio literally calls itself "News".

Hannity says he is news at lesast 30 times a day during his 3-hour program.  

When his is caught lying, as is routine, his management defends the lie by saying Sean is an "entertainer", or that he is expressing his "opinion".

A few minutes pass and Sean is again boldly stating that he is "News".

Mark Levin does the same thing.

They ALL do it.

So don't blame the conventional media entirely....the low-brow radio scum (sorry scum, scum serves a legitimate ecological purpose)the low brow radio scum tells its gullible listeners that it IS "News".

But it isn't really Hannity, Limbaugh, Mark Levin, etc. doing the speaking.....these guys are merely announcers.....IT IS ALWAYS THE OWNER WHO IS REALLY SPEAKING,

If Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, etc., were to be hit by a truck tomorrow, these cheap hack owners would buy some other cheap hack announcer to take their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though the conventional news media are certainly culpable, it must be noted and remembered that rightist propaganda drivel, ie., low-brow talk radio, calls itself &#8220;News&#8221;, and literally tricks its moronic listeners into believing that the lying bullshit of Hannity, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc., IS &#8220;NEWS&#8221;.</p>
<p>You must remember that:</p>
<p>A: The low-brow talk radio literally calls itself &#8220;News&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hannity says he is news at lesast 30 times a day during his 3-hour program.  </p>
<p>When his is caught lying, as is routine, his management defends the lie by saying Sean is an &#8220;entertainer&#8221;, or that he is expressing his &#8220;opinion&#8221;.</p>
<p>A few minutes pass and Sean is again boldly stating that he is &#8220;News&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mark Levin does the same thing.</p>
<p>They ALL do it.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t blame the conventional media entirely&#8230;.the low-brow radio scum (sorry scum, scum serves a legitimate ecological purpose)the low brow radio scum tells its gullible listeners that it IS &#8220;News&#8221;.</p>
<p>But it isn&#8217;t really Hannity, Limbaugh, Mark Levin, etc. doing the speaking&#8230;..these guys are merely announcers&#8230;..IT IS ALWAYS THE OWNER WHO IS REALLY SPEAKING,</p>
<p>If Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, etc., were to be hit by a truck tomorrow, these cheap hack owners would buy some other cheap hack announcer to take their place.
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		<title>by: Sue S.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 08:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bush &#38; Co and to a lessor degree many of the democrats are sociopaths.
"By definition these people are at least temporarily very successful in society. They achieve their success by socially unacceptable means and at the expense of the community and its citizens."
 "They surround themselves with admirers. When a group identifies with dysfunctional ideas and adopts these patterns of thinking then they reinforce each other. Dissenters leave or are ostracised. A subculture or even a culture forms. When this culture is very successful, when there are adverse outcomes for individuals or for sections of society as a consequence of beliefs and actions, and when the culture is deaf to reason or facts then I call this process successful sociopathy. We have ready examples in apartheid and the holocaust. Once a successful culture is established it assumes an independent momentum and spreads rapidly. Its acquires a legitimacy and an unquestioned and self evident correctness, which few dare challenge. Nothing is as convincing as success.
The nature of these sociopaths make the empires which they create extremely fragile and vulnerable - a spectacular house of cards which at times comes tumbling down amidst revelations of misconduct.
When these people hold the floor they are persuasive but their ideas do not stand up to critical scrutiny or questioning. They talk only to the converted. They seldom engage in open debate or give press interviews where they are confronted by critics. They employ trained PR firms to present their point of view."

"Not every sociopath is a serial killer. It's more likely that he - or she - is a conniving co-worker, a manipulative relative, a deceitful lover. According to Martha Stout, a shocking 4 percent of "ordinary Americans," 1 in 25, is a sociopath." 

"Interesting and provocative is [Martha Stout]'s finding that some cultures have fewer sociopaths than others. They are relatively rare in certain East Asian countries, notably Japan and China. Conversely, sociopathy seems to be on the rise in the United States. Stout faults our American culture, which holds individualism as a central value, for fostering, perhaps actively encouraging, the development of antisocial behavior."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush &amp; Co and to a lessor degree many of the democrats are sociopaths.<br />
&#8220;By definition these people are at least temporarily very successful in society. They achieve their success by socially unacceptable means and at the expense of the community and its citizens.&#8221;<br />
 &#8220;They surround themselves with admirers. When a group identifies with dysfunctional ideas and adopts these patterns of thinking then they reinforce each other. Dissenters leave or are ostracised. A subculture or even a culture forms. When this culture is very successful, when there are adverse outcomes for individuals or for sections of society as a consequence of beliefs and actions, and when the culture is deaf to reason or facts then I call this process successful sociopathy. We have ready examples in apartheid and the holocaust. Once a successful culture is established it assumes an independent momentum and spreads rapidly. Its acquires a legitimacy and an unquestioned and self evident correctness, which few dare challenge. Nothing is as convincing as success.<br />
The nature of these sociopaths make the empires which they create extremely fragile and vulnerable - a spectacular house of cards which at times comes tumbling down amidst revelations of misconduct.<br />
When these people hold the floor they are persuasive but their ideas do not stand up to critical scrutiny or questioning. They talk only to the converted. They seldom engage in open debate or give press interviews where they are confronted by critics. They employ trained PR firms to present their point of view.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Not every sociopath is a serial killer. It&#8217;s more likely that he - or she - is a conniving co-worker, a manipulative relative, a deceitful lover. According to Martha Stout, a shocking 4 percent of &#8220;ordinary Americans,&#8221; 1 in 25, is a sociopath.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Interesting and provocative is [Martha Stout]&#8217;s finding that some cultures have fewer sociopaths than others. They are relatively rare in certain East Asian countries, notably Japan and China. Conversely, sociopathy seems to be on the rise in the United States. Stout faults our American culture, which holds individualism as a central value, for fostering, perhaps actively encouraging, the development of antisocial behavior.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Dr. Robert Weed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 07:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Where do you come up with this stuff? The fact some people are just has wacky is even more scarey.

Global Warming is a natural event that happens on this planet for millions of years. Has NOTHING to do with man or oil.

Defending and protecting our nation from groups of people who have told us, point blank, that they want to destroy us, is common sense. 

To suggest its all made up to make money is very crazy.

Thank God (if you believe in God) that most people are not as nuts and yes, we will protect your butts in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you come up with this stuff? The fact some people are just has wacky is even more scarey.</p>
<p>Global Warming is a natural event that happens on this planet for millions of years. Has NOTHING to do with man or oil.</p>
<p>Defending and protecting our nation from groups of people who have told us, point blank, that they want to destroy us, is common sense. </p>
<p>To suggest its all made up to make money is very crazy.</p>
<p>Thank God (if you believe in God) that most people are not as nuts and yes, we will protect your butts in the process.
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		<title>by: Timothy Michel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thinks for the information and insight, but this behavior by congress from whichever angle you view it is just childish and so inappropriate to the enormity of circumstances at hand that I can only view it as criminal.

We are facing unimaginable disruptions to agriculture on such a giant scale that you would think that Congress would be acting as though being attacked by the Luftwaffe. 

You would think that the impending oil supply crisis would have galvanized Congress into a wartime functioning body which would have been overriding any bill that didn't address funding for oil alternative initiatives that had any promise of staying the crisis. 

You would have thought that they wouldn't have engaged in this war costing trillions of dollars in debt when the resources that money represented as sorely needed to fund other than fossil fuel energy projects.

Even winning the wear in Iraq provides no net gain for America or any other country in the world because that oil, which is the prize of that war is a global warming liability and is going into depletion making it a water bucket full of holes.

I would think Congress would be burning midnight oil drafting emergency plans for the transformation of this economy into an all electric economy that can take advantage of a variety of sources of energy while restoring the rail system that will be the only transportation system operating when oil goes into permanent depletion. 

So to worry over politics when the country is in a critical crisis to me is just plain childish, because a child would throw a tantrum when it wasn't getting what it want amid a crisis, but an adult would be stone cold sober about protecting his family and averting the crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinks for the information and insight, but this behavior by congress from whichever angle you view it is just childish and so inappropriate to the enormity of circumstances at hand that I can only view it as criminal.</p>
<p>We are facing unimaginable disruptions to agriculture on such a giant scale that you would think that Congress would be acting as though being attacked by the Luftwaffe. </p>
<p>You would think that the impending oil supply crisis would have galvanized Congress into a wartime functioning body which would have been overriding any bill that didn&#8217;t address funding for oil alternative initiatives that had any promise of staying the crisis. </p>
<p>You would have thought that they wouldn&#8217;t have engaged in this war costing trillions of dollars in debt when the resources that money represented as sorely needed to fund other than fossil fuel energy projects.</p>
<p>Even winning the wear in Iraq provides no net gain for America or any other country in the world because that oil, which is the prize of that war is a global warming liability and is going into depletion making it a water bucket full of holes.</p>
<p>I would think Congress would be burning midnight oil drafting emergency plans for the transformation of this economy into an all electric economy that can take advantage of a variety of sources of energy while restoring the rail system that will be the only transportation system operating when oil goes into permanent depletion. </p>
<p>So to worry over politics when the country is in a critical crisis to me is just plain childish, because a child would throw a tantrum when it wasn&#8217;t getting what it want amid a crisis, but an adult would be stone cold sober about protecting his family and averting the crisis.
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		<title>by: The  Posturing Democrats</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I appreciated your insightful commentary and generally agree with the "who lost China" timidity of those Dems. who voted to continue the war. However, what you seem to have overlooked is the cynical aspect of the vote: Having postured to stop the war and putting Bush in a corner where he had to exercise his veto power,  the Demmocrats then voted to continue the war --thus, being on both sides of the issue! 
All of this further demonstrates to me the need fo a fundamental change in the so-called "two party" system, which is largely a fiction anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciated your insightful commentary and generally agree with the &#8220;who lost China&#8221; timidity of those Dems. who voted to continue the war. However, what you seem to have overlooked is the cynical aspect of the vote: Having postured to stop the war and putting Bush in a corner where he had to exercise his veto power,  the Demmocrats then voted to continue the war &#8211;thus, being on both sides of the issue!<br />
All of this further demonstrates to me the need fo a fundamental change in the so-called &#8220;two party&#8221; system, which is largely a fiction anyway.
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		<title>by: Lucius Nelligan Sorrentino</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You may as well pressure a whore with money.  "Listen Dearie, this is big bucks for a big bang."

The problem is how to uncoopt the co-opted.  How to unprogram or de-link the brainwashing and influence peddling in the coporate media from our consciousnesses when the mass media is so tranceably hypnotic in its substituting fiction for reality.  

Attack with the velvet sledgehammer.  The more informed, less conformist, free thinking independent voices must as the Pendulum ought to have it, come into sway.  We've clearly gone "Right" far enough. Gravity insists on equalization so the coming zeitgeist that must be realized in the other, less frightening if more stable, community of peoples/nations/whatever...but NOT a Corporate American Militaristic Hegemony over the Planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may as well pressure a whore with money.  &#8220;Listen Dearie, this is big bucks for a big bang.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is how to uncoopt the co-opted.  How to unprogram or de-link the brainwashing and influence peddling in the coporate media from our consciousnesses when the mass media is so tranceably hypnotic in its substituting fiction for reality.  </p>
<p>Attack with the velvet sledgehammer.  The more informed, less conformist, free thinking independent voices must as the Pendulum ought to have it, come into sway.  We&#8217;ve clearly gone &#8220;Right&#8221; far enough. Gravity insists on equalization so the coming zeitgeist that must be realized in the other, less frightening if more stable, community of peoples/nations/whatever&#8230;but NOT a Corporate American Militaristic Hegemony over the Planet.
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		<title>by: ets</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you, Danny, for saying what needed to be said. Nearly all other commentators are ignoring the military industrial complex connection and Congressional Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Danny, for saying what needed to be said. Nearly all other commentators are ignoring the military industrial complex connection and Congressional Democrats.
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		<title>by: ets</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you, Danny, for saying what needed to be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Danny, for saying what needed to be said.
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